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CC MTG MINUTES MARCH 7 2011 a REGULAR MEETING OF THE AGAWAM CITY COUNCIL March 7, 20II President Rheault — Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the March 7t' City Council meeting. Item I. Citizen's Sneak Time President Rheault —We have a few citizens wishing to address the Council this evening and I'm not sure if one of them has addressed the Council before but you have up to five minutes and state your name and address and the purpose of your visit. And that being first Pll call on Richard Kos. Richard Kos — Well again, good evening members of the Town Council. My name is Richard Kos. I'm a lawyer with the law firm of Egan, Flanagan and Cohen here in Springfield, Massachusetts and I'm here to speak on behalf of the Agawam • Administrative Union and the contract that's before you this evening for your consideration for appropriation. I'd like to let you know that this union represents literally the first level of management after the Executive and Legislative branches and they make sure that the work of the town gets done. The make up is about half department heads and about half supervisory personnel. The contract before you tonight • for your consideration is the result of several months of negotiations, discussions and compromises. This group attempted to be a leader in the negotiations by agreeing with the Executive branch to accept the 0%, 1% and 2% increases for each of the three years of the contract that is currently before you and it's my understanding that that became a model for all the contracts that you have before you in the town that are administered and negotiated through the Mayor's office. As you have been informed, it is the role of the Executive branch — that is the Mayor — to negotiate contracts. As the Legislative body, you are to address the request for appropriation necessary to fund this contract. Newspaper accounts of your previous concerns indicate that the Council may want to look at staff, existing positions, salaries and "higher level jobs". These and related matters are appropriately part of the negotiating process. Neither side had raised these issues to date. I suggest to you that to do so at this stage of the collective bargaining process is not appropriate under the law. The concerns that were on the table have been addressed. In my opinion, to raise new issues now would be an unfair practice. There are no salary increases in the first year of this contract. In fact, any salaries that may be subject to your present concerns are part of a current contract that this board has previously funded on multiple occasions. I would suggest if you, as a Legislative branch, have concerns, they should be shared with the Executive branch namely the Mayor so that in future negotiations those future concerns could be addressed. I can indicate to you that the Administrative Union has indicated and would be willing to discuss those in future contracts as we go forward. The issue now though is to raise new issues at this • stage of the collecting bargaining process is unfair and is inappropriate under Collective Bargaining Law. I thank you for your attention and I appreciate your concerns as well as your consideration of the matter before you later this evening. Thank you. � 1 President Rheault—Thank you Attorney. Next is Gary O'Brien. i Gary O'Brien —Good evening ladies and gentlemen of the Council. I'm Gary O'Brien. I work for the Agawam Police Department and I live at 30 Oakmont Place in Feeding Hills. I just wanted to bring up something as far as the contract negotiations. The Police and Fire pay scale has recently been compared to the Mayor's salary. Why would such a 0 comparison be made and what similarities do they have? The answer's none. If people were to compare our salary to another, please compare it to other local police agencies. I'd to talk about some current work conditions and man power. Man power's remained the same over the past twenty-five years for the Agawam Police. The town is divided up into four patrol districts. We often operate with just three patrol districts. A single patrol area under a three-district plan is from O'Brien's corner to the Westfield line to the Southwick line over to the Suffield line. These patrol figures remain the same even during the summer when our population almost doubles while Six Flags is open. Over the past three years, there have been over one hundred incidents where police have been the victim. Over sixty of those have been assault and batteries. A company that provides care for violent and troubled individuals has taken up residence in our town. We have received upwards of one hundred 911 calls at these locations, assaults on staff workers including those pregnant, civilians, the elderly and police officers at these locations are not uncommon. Most residents at these locations require at least two to three officers to affect an arrest or transport. Patrol Supervisors and patrolmen have documented such dangers and requested changes. Our safety concerns at these locations have gone + unchanged. Bar problems are more common than ever, ranging from simple unruly patrons to gun shots. There isn't a police department around that calls for mutual aid or backup from other agencies as often as ours does. Our drug problem is clear. Drug overdoses and deaths are a reality. Arrest reports have become arduous and time consuming. A serious accident can take days to complete. Arrests of non-English • speaking people involve interpreters requiring special processing that literally can tie you up for hours, Many juvenile arrests require a two officer prisoner transport to locations as far away as Worcester. Our detectives are on call 24 hours a day lessening their leisure time. Drug officers must remain by their cell phone 24/7 in order to remain effective. Morale has dropped to a low where it may never recover. Internal police 0 socialization is virtually non-existent. Recommendations by supervisors for commendations for meritorious actions go unanswered and ignored. On the contrary, accusations of police misconduct and wrong-doings are handled with delicate political gloves. Cruisers with high mileage are being driven on snow tires during the summer months even though they have been proven unsafe. We hired three officers from 40 Springfield PD a few years back. Two out of the three returned to Springfield. Need I say more? Another officer went to the State Police, one to Carson City, Nevada PD and several are currently seeking employment with other departments. I've negotiated many contracts over my career and this one is the least costly to the town. Poor economic times have made all involved more cognicant of the fiscal reality. Mayor Cohen's office and legal staff explained their fiscal dilemma during negotiations. The process was slow and frustrating yet very professional. We agreed to a 0% increase the first year, a 1% increase the second year and a 2% increase the third year. We have run short-staffed, we • 2 s have negotiated the lowest cost of living increase in history and we lost the Quinn Bill for all new hires. We feel that we have done our part during this fiscal crisis. Please support • and fund this contract. Thank you. President Rheault—Thank you Gary. Item 2. Roll Call President Rheault—Barbara,please call the roll? ROLL CALL—9 PRESENT, 2 ABSENT (Councilors Letellier and Simpson) • President Rheault —Nine present, two absent, you have a quorum. Councilor Simpson phoned and said that she would not be in attendance this evening. Item 3. Moment o Silence and the Pled e o Alle fiance President Rheault—Please rise for a moment of silence and Pledge of Allegiance. Item 4. Minutes (a) Regular Council Meeting—February 22,2011 President Rheault — Moved by Councilor Perry, seconded by Councilor Walsh. Any changes, additions, corrections? No? Voice vote is sufficient. All those in favor? Opposed? Abstained by Councilor Messick. Item S. Declaration from Council President r None. Item 6. Presentation of Petitions, Memorials & Remonstrances 1. TR-2011-17 -A Resolution Confirming the Appointment of Alice Smith, 523 North Westfield Street,Feeding Hills,MA. to the Historical Commission to a Term Expiring January 1,2014 (Mayor) President Rheault — Council's pleasure? Moved by Councilor Walsh, seconded by Councilors Rossi and Perry. Any comments? Councilor Magovern? • Councilor Magovern — I would just like to say what a great job Alice has done for the town and historic preservation and I think she's a great choice for the commission. President Rheault—Thank you. Any others? If not, Barbara, please call the roll? ROLL CALL—9 YES, 0 NO,2 ABSENT (Councilors Letellier and Simpson) ! 3 President Rheault—Nine yes,two absent, you have approved the confirmation. 2. TR-2011-18 -A Resolution to Appropriate Funds for the Agawam Clerical Employees Association,Agawam Administrative Union,Agawam Patrolmen's Association,Agawam Police Supervisor's Association and AFL- CIO Local 1973 Firefighters (Referred to Finance Committee) (Mayor) a President Rheault — Moved by Councilor Walsh, seconded by Councilor Rossi. If I could just for the benefit of the audience and for a reminder to the Council - the Council's role regarding this item of Agenda is purely to; we are either to fund or not to fund. We played no role in any part of the negotiating process. Pursuant, and this is the opinion for our Labor Attorney, pursuant to the statutory collective bargaining scheme provided by Mass General Law 150E, the legislative body role is solely to approved the funding of the contracts. Do I like it? No but this is the system that we, the Council, are mandated to follow. We have nothing to say about the contracts except to say yes or no to the percentage over a three year period. With that, I'll entertain a motion to open the discussion to the floor. For the record I'm going to read the Resolution. TR-2011-18—A Resolution to Appropriate fund for the Agawam Clerical Employees Association, Agawam Administrative Union, Agawam Police Patrolmen's Association,Agawam police Supervisor's Association, AFL-CIO Local 1973 Firefighters. WHEREAS, the Town of Agawam has negotiated Collective Bargaining Agreements with the following Unions: Agawam Clerical Employees Association, Agawam Administrative Union, Agawam Police Patrolmen's Association, Agawam Police Supervisor's Association, and the AFL-CIO Local 1973 Firefighters; and WHEREAS, the Town and those Unions have executed Settlement Agreements; and WHEREAS, those Settlement Agreements have been rated and executed by the Unions; and WHEREAS, all the Settlement Agreements provide for increases as follows: a. Effective July], 2010—0%FY 2011 b. Effective July 1, 2011-1%FY 2012 C. Effective July 1, 2012—2 FY 2013, and WHEREAS, pursuant to Massachusetts General law Chapter 150E, Section 7, the Agawam City Council must appropriate necessary funds; and WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the Town of Agawam to appropriate the necessary funding. NOW THEREFORE< BE IT RESOLVED BY THE AGAWAM TOWN COUNCIL that the Agawam Toun Council hereby approved necessary funds to fund the first year of said Agreements, said amount being $0.00. Dated today. President Rheault — Floor is open. Councilor Walsh? Did you want to say something? Finance did not meet because there was at that time no information and they cannot discuss anything regarding the contract anyway. Do you have any input John? 4 Councilor Walsh —No, I think that's true because the figures that we had in our packet was information that I think we would have needed in order to have a discussion at the • Finance Committee level because we can't really discuss the contract other than the fiinding and we didn't get that information until it came out Friday. So the meeting had originally been scheduled for I think the prior Tuesday so we had to cancel that meeting because the figures weren't available for us to discuss. • President Rheault—Councilor Rossi? Councilor Rossi—Thank you. Let me just say at the onset, I am not personally opposed to any increases for public employees. I understand their plight especially those at the lower levels. I know that their jobs are often frustrating. The pays are low and the hours are long and that can be very difficult circumstances under which to work but that being said, our role as a legislative body up here is to appropriate the funds. It is the duty of the municipality and collective bargaining that the community be able to identify those funds and where they're going to be coming from. I had previously asked that that be done. I asked for a breakdown department by department to find out just exactly what these costs were gonna come from I mean cost the community because they're gonna have to be • added to the levy, the tax base. What I got was something I didn't quite understand, maybe my knowledge doesn't go quite that deeply, I was hoping to have a little better breakdown but what I really wanted was contract by contract, department by department, to find out just exactly where these funds are coming from and if I can draw a little example of where I'm coming from—just recently I attended a State of the City address • by Mayor Cohen and in that address he keyed pretty much around the economic situation of this time which I don't have to tell anybody in this room that they are very, very difficult and our budgets right now are a little fragile. So that being said, in his statement he said he is NOT going to ask for an increase in taxes. He said that clearly. In fact he accentuated it a couple of times. That being said, how is he ever gonna give these people these percentage increases without increasing the tax? We have no knowledge of where these funds are coming from. I've asked the question. No one seems to know. I want to see a plan. Do we have a yearly plan of where — these contracts are gonna take affect starting in next July, July I" to that June 30"' — and then the subsequent year will take affect the following July — I don't see a plan on where this money's gonna come from 41 this year. I don't see any projected plans on where the money's gonna come from in the succeeding years. Just exactly where's it gonna come from? I think it would be irresponsible of this body to actually go out and say and commit ourselves to 1%, 2% or any percent for that matter without exactly knowing just exactly where this money's coming from. Now I for one would like to know that before I could vote and I don't • think we could vote intelligently on it and that's not to say that I am opposed to it as I said earlier. I'm not opposed to these raises. I would love to give everybody a raise and I think in some circumstances I think the people deserve even more than 2% or 3%. 1 think they do a great job. I listened to Officer O'Brien talk up here. Coming from a police background myself, I know exactly what he was talking about. It's a difficult, difficult situation to be in especially faced when you're not gonna get an increase but I can't look • at it like that. I have to look at it from where I was elected to do and I what I was elected to do is watch out for the people in this community, to pay attention to their pocketbooks. • 5 The people out there just cannot absorb anymore taxes. We're gonna be faced with user fees and all these other things and I know that that's not the problems of the Unions. I • understand that but those are OUR problems. Those are problems that we have to deal with so until I can get a breakdown of where this money's gonna come from and as the Mayor says without raising taxes and that's why I wanted a breakdown by contract by contract. For example if we give a 1% increase to say the Police Department for example and I'm not singling them out but just as an example, if we're gonna give them a I% • increase and that amounts to or equates to a certain dollar amount, then we're gonna have to cut somewhere in that Police Department to make up that difference and that goes for the Fire and Administrative Union and the Clerical Union. If he's gonna stick to his word and we're not gonna have any increases and if you're gonna get wage increases, then we're gonna have to cut somewhere. Just exactly what's he gonna do? I'd like to • see that and that's particularly my opinion at this point. President Rheault—Councilor Magovern? Councilor Magovern —I'd just like to add on a little bit as to what Councilor Rossi said. Nobody can be more supportive of the Police and the Fire of this community than I am. I've experienced the use of the Fire Department both with a house fire and I've used the EMT service with my parents. I think we have one of the best EMT services anywhere in the Valley. We have a phenomenal Fire Department. We have a great Police Department and they deserve the 2%, 3%, whatever but we're elected by the citizens of Agawam to look at the cost, look at the taxes and I know there's been no increases in 0 COLA for Social Security for the past several years. The retirees in this town are living on a set income. There's absolutely no way, there is no money to make up the difference. I mean Officer O'Brien stated the facts very eloquently as to why the Police Department deserved the money but by the same token he also said that they're driving around on snow tires in the middle of the summer. This also equates up to what the problem is — • that if we've gotta ride around on snow tires in the middle of the summer, we don't have the money for the maintenance of the vehicles. We've gotta have the money. If we're not gonna have increases in taxes next year then we've gotta cut somewhere. It's so much easier to say yes than it is to say no but in this economy until we know exactly where the money's coming from - We're looking at the loss of $2 million in federal • funding, state funding, all the other fundings so we've gotta really scurry to find the money for the School Department, for the snow tires to be replaced, for all the other vehicles and it's just part of the economic hardships that we're all facing. And you're right. The Police have suffered and taken the brunt of some of these problems. We've all gotta just hang in there and hope that the economy picks up and we end up with some • more industry moving into the town which is part of our overall problem. If we bring a few more businesses in, some good sized industry, we can enlarge the tax base. When we enlarge the tax base, then we'll have more money to spend but we've gotta look at where the revenue comes from and what we can do to make Agawam the jewel of the area to bring the businesses into the community to have the tax dollars to spend on our essential services. So that's really all I have to say. Thank you and again thank you for • your good work. Hang in there. Support us please. Be with us. We're trying to fight 0 6 • this together but we're gonna have a tough time next year and the year after with taxes. Thank you. • President Rheault—Councilor Perry? Councilor Perry — Yes, thank you Mr. President. Before we get into any more of the discussion, I just want to make sure exactly what we're voting on here this evening because you've read the Resolution and if you go down to the very last line it states `Now therefore be it resolved by the Agawam Town Council that the Agawam Town Council hereby approves the necessary funds to fund the first year of said agreement, said amount being zero.' Are we voting on the first year according to what it states here or all three years? I need that clarification. President Rheault—I'll give you the clarification. If you vote on the first, say you voted yes on 0%, you are also voting yes on 2% and 3%. So the vote is really for the three, not just for one. • Councilor Perry—Thank you. President Rheault—Councilor Walsh? Councilor Walsh — Yes, we have a fairly good inclination of what next year is going to look like based upon state revenues and the cuts that have been proposed. We really • don't know about the following years after that so I think when it comes down to where's the money going to come from, it may be a matter of less than money coming in as a matter of cutting other expenses to basically offset any increases that we have here so we might end up, when you get out into the third year of the contract with the 2% increase and if the state's still cutting the budget at that point in time, then we know what our • revenues are, we have to then cut other expenses in order to fund that 2%. So we're never going to know what the future actually brings as far as the funds go but we have to I think at least go on the good faith of the negotiations that have taken place at this point and trust that the state's not going to tie our hands in the future. I think that's about all I have to say on it. • President Rheault—Councilor Mineo? Councilor Mineo — Just one question and this is my twelve year on the Council and I don't ever remember doing this. For any of the contract negotiations, cuz we're not involved in the contract negotiations so I just don't understand why this is in front of us. In twelve years, I mean I've gone through, I've been around long enough where I where each department has gotten increases but we've never voted on them. I mean usually it's at budget time, isn't it at budget time when we vote? President Rheault—No we usually vote a transfer of monies once the agreements, once, • when we vote the transfer, we never realized up until a few years ago by accident, that we i 7 M were actually approving a three-year contract. So that brought to light a situation that got by this Council unfortunately for several years and that was brought to my attention— 0 Councilor Mineo —I am correct in that—I know that I mean I've served with you for 12 years and George and Bobby and most of you up here, I just don't remember receiving anything like this in 12 years. 0 President Rheault—Well what it is is you are now AWARE of what you're voting for. Councilor Mineo — Okay. Thank you. Does that mean that there's no transparency in the budget? President Rheault—Transparency? Councilor Mineo -There's so—well — President Rheault—If this took place? 0 Councilor Mineo — What you're saying is there hasn't been transparency in the budget over the last— President Rheault —There wasn't because it was a separate transfer prior to budget time. • Councilor Mineo - Okay. That was my question. President Rheault—Councilor Rossi? Councilor Rossi— Yea, I think maybe to clean it up a little bit. What they did was they put these increases into the budget and when the budget came to us, some of us councilors were not aware of that we were voting for salary increases and once we voted the budget through, that meant the contracts were approved. Since we became aware of the fact, we asked which is in our prerogative because the legislative branch has the obligation to appropriate the funds that are negotiated and if this Council does not 0 appropriate those funds, we're to come back with a negative rejection and send it back to the Mayor and negotiating team to re-negotiate. I mean that's our job. That's what supposed to be our job over the years. That hasn't been our job because we haven't been aware of it because it's been put into the budget and most of us haven't been aware of it. But I think the real thing that we're looking at here is and we can sit around and talk about dollars and tax dollars until the cows come home but that's not gonna make it here. What's gonna make it here is a plan. We need a definite plan as to how we're gonna proceed with this thing. Now very specifically it says that the community has to come up with a plan of where these funds are coming from. It has to make funds available for these contracts. Now if that hasn't been done, I think that maybe the best thing to do is and maybe if we need a little bit more time to vote on these things intelligently— I don't 0 think anybody wants to reject these things and to sit up here and just give a blanket rejection to all these union contracts would not be unfair to anybody I mean it would be 0 8 unfair to everybody. What I think is I think we should send this back and we should ask quite clearly for a plan where these funds are gonna come from. If we're gonna make • funds available for these contracts, where are they gonna come from? If we're supposed to be into a level budgeting contract or level budgeting budget and the Mayor has already said publicly he's not gonna increase taxes, then where are these funds gonna come from? To sit up here and say let's add 1%, 2%, or 3% and that's gonna go to the levy, I mean where else is it gonna go? If it goes to the levy, it's gonna increase the taxes. I • mean that's just the way the system works. I say I want to see a plan. Not that I'm against the raises, I want to see a plan on how we're gonna do it. That's all I say. So maybe we need a little bit more time and if the Council's pleasure is to maybe table this thing until that information comes to us, then maybe we can sit down and intelligently vote on this thing and come to a decision that makes sense. Maybe that's the answer. If • that is, I'll entertain a motion to table. President Rheault—Councilor Mineo? Councilor Mineo — Again, I'm not looking to reject this, I mean, and I agree with you I'd like to just know where it's coming from. I mean I would be willing to table this and let the Mayor come before us or whoever and let us know what the plan is as how he's funding it. I'm not looking to vote against anything. I'm not. I'm just trying to make a sound decision here and for one I can't because I didn't understand, it's just something that's never come before us or it's never come before me in twelve years and again, it's not something I want to reject. I'd like to know how we're gonna pay for it too. • President Rheault—Councilor Magovern? Councilor Magovern --I'm not necessarily in favor of rejecting these raises either but by the same token, I don't know how we can table this and ask the Mayor to come back with • a program and a plan as to how he's gonna pay for something to years out or three years out when we have no idea what the economy's gonna be in two or three years or what our tax base is gonna be in two or three years. I think there's gotta be some way if it's a zero increase this year anyway that we go through and we vote it down — that's the best tabling one but let them re-negotiate it and come back in another year if we can and try to re-negotiate it then when we know what our tax base is. But to go back and say we want a plan when we have no idea what the economy is gonna be in two years, you know if gas goes to $5.00 a gallon, we're gonna be really in trouble but if something happens and the gas goes back down to $3.00 a gallon or $2.50, then the whole economy's gonna turn around and things are gonna be a lot differently but if you throw gas prices up, you throw the oil prices up, the energy prices up, this is gonna just devastate our budget so I don't know who's got the crystal ball to look at where the economy's gonna be in two years to come back with a plan that says this is how we're gonna pay for these increases. I wanna see everybody get paid more, I'd like to get paid more but by the same token I know our Police and our Fire deserve it. We have to be in line with the other communities because we've got some fine officers and I don't like hearing stories about them moving on to the State Police or moving on to other communities because I want to keep our well-trained officer here in Agawam. I don't want to see them move anymore than the Fire • 9 Department or anybody else but go back and table this and say there's gonna be some panacea our there, there's gonna be some program where we're gonna be able to see • there's money down the road in two years —I don't see it. President Rheault—Councilor Perry? Councilor Perry — Yes, thank you Mr. President. Well that's exactly what they're asking us to do Councilor Magovern is to look in the crystal ball and approve these increases not knowing where the money's gonna come from in year two and year three of this contract that we have before us. But it's my understanding that and I could be wrong but typically once both sides have agreed and signed to the contract, we have thirty days in which to approve or disapprove. If no action is taken then it's automatically agreed upon by the other parties that this contract is valid and that's how it's gotten through to the budget over the last sixteen years that I've been on the Council. So I believe there is a time limit on the action that the Council has and I could be wrong but I believe we only have a certain time frame to take an action on these contracts as a legislative body and then it goes automatically right into the budget. President Rheault—I can't answer the question, I'm sorry. I think— Councilor Perry—We have to take action within 30— President Rheault—My understanding was if it goes back they have to sit down and re- negotiate. Councilor Perry — If we elect not to appropriate the funding then yes but if we do nothing— President Rheault—Oh, I see. Councilor Perry— Which we haven't done in the last sixteen years that I've been on the Council, it's automatically been if both parties agreed, no action by the Council, it's approved and it goes automatically into the budget and then at that point, we vote on the • whole budget but there's no way we had any legal right to change those contracts because we did not act on them. Then I believe it's a thirty day period. President Rheault—Anyone else? Councilor Rossi? Councilor Rossi — So what we're saying is we send a no vote. We tell them to go back and re-negotiate and come back with a plan and tell us what we're gonna do. Maybe that's a sound thing, let them go back. They obviously come back and re-negotiate the same figure I would imagine or any other figure but at least you would have to deal with each additional union to find out where the money is gonna come from, maybe that probably wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean I would just hate to just say no for the sake of saying no and then say you can't do it. If we reject this thing maybe the thing to do is 10 send it back, have them re-negotiate and then they can come back with a plan and tell us how they intend to do it. • President Rheault — I think we've had enough discussion in making a decision. Barbara,please call the roll. ROLL CALL — 2 YES (Councilors Bitzas and Walsh), 7 NO (Councilors Cichetti, Magovern, Messick, Mineo, Perry, Rheault, and Rossi), 2 ABSENT (Councilors Letellier and Simpson) President Rheault — Seven no, two yes and two absent, we have defeated the motion. There is no further Old Business. IP Item 7. Report oL Council Committees None. Item 8. Elections None. Item 9. Public Hearings • None. Item 10. Old Business None. Item ]]. New Business 1. TO-2011-8 -Transfer from Reserve Fund (16605-57300)to City Council Professional Services (11112-52190) (Council President) President Rheault—Next Agenda. Refer to the Finance Committee. 2. TO-2011-9 -A Transfer from the Reserve Fund (16605-57300) to Animal Transfer Capital Outlay(16610-new) (Mayor) • President Rheault—Next Agenda. Refer to the Finance Committee. 3. TR-2011-19 -A Resolution regarding the Approval of an Inter-Municipal Shelter Lease Agreement regarding Animal Control between West Springfield,Westfield,and the Town of Agawam (Mayor) President Rheault—Next Agenda. i 11 s 4. TOR-2011-2 -An Ordinance Regarding a New Chapter 96 Concerning Dogs (Mayor) • President Rheault—Next Agenda and that will go over to the Ordinance Committee. Item 12. Any other matter that may le-ally come before the City Council. • President Rheault—We'll start at my further left tonight. Councilor Perry--Nothing this evening. Thank you. President Rheault—Thank you. Councilor Messick? 0 Councilor Messick— When we have this back in front of us, prior to that, could we ask that we see these contracts separately rather than on one action, that we fiend them separately because in my view, I've read through these contracts and the Administrative and the Clerical are very simple, you've got hourly people, a 2% increase is real easy to calculate but with the others, I mean you talked about looking in the crystal ball, we can • do projections but it's a lot more complex with the Firefighters and the Police. So we might be able to very quickly look at the two contracts. The others we might need to ask for more information so could we ask for them to be broken up? President Rheault — Certainly. Barbara, would you please request that of the Legal • Department that the next time it appears on the Agenda that the individual contracts appear separately? Councilor Cichetti--Nothing tonight. 0 President Rheault—Nothing? Councilor Walsh —I'll pass. President Rheault—We have nothing and a pass. To my right? a Councilor Rossi--Nothing, thank you. President Rheault—Nothing. Councilor Mineo? Councilor Mineo—Nothing tonight. • President Rheault—Councilor Magovern? Councilor Magovern—I'll set an Ordinance date for an Ordinance meeting with Barbara for our Ordinance and I just want to say that this is one of the harder decisions that I think • I've had to make in the years that I've been on the Council. You hate to say no to deserved raises but we will work something out I hope in the future. Thank you. 12 President Rheault—Councilor Bitzas? • Councilor Bitzas—Nothing this evening. President Rheault—And I have nothing so I'll entertain a motion to adjourn? Moved by the Council to adjourn, seconded by the Council. All those in favor? Opposed? We are now adjourned. Thank you and good evening. • Adjournment. i • • i • i i 13